{"id":80,"date":"2012-03-14T18:46:29","date_gmt":"2012-03-14T18:46:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/?p=80"},"modified":"2012-08-15T02:57:23","modified_gmt":"2012-08-15T02:57:23","slug":"eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t\t<style type=\"text\/css\">\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 {\n\t\t\t\tmargin: auto;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-item {\n\t\t\t\tfloat: left;\n\t\t\t\tmargin-top: 10px;\n\t\t\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t\t\t\twidth: 33%;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 img {\n\t\t\t\tborder: 2px solid #cfcfcf;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-caption {\n\t\t\t\tmargin-left: 0;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t\/* see gallery_shortcode() in wp-includes\/media.php *\/\n\t\t<\/style>\n\t\t<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-80 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail'><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a\/original-and-fix\/'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/tumblr_m0dmrtSnQg1rnbeuro1_r1_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-81\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-81'>\n\t\t\t\tOriginal and fix\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a\/current-line-of-action\/'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/tumblr_m0dmrtSnQg1rnbeuro2_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-82\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-82'>\n\t\t\t\tCurrent line of action\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a\/why-it-doesnt-work\/'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/tumblr_m0dmrtSnQg1rnbeuro3_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-83\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-83'>\n\t\t\t\tWhy it doesn&#8217;t work\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><br style=\"clear: both\" \/><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a\/what-it-should-be\/'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/tumblr_m0dmrtSnQg1rnbeuro5_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-84\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-84'>\n\t\t\t\tWhat it should be\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a\/roughing-it-out\/'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/tumblr_m0dmrtSnQg1rnbeuro6_r1_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-85\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-85'>\n\t\t\t\tRoughing it out\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/eschergirls-lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a\/antic-and-follow-through\/'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/nathanielpayne.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/tumblr_m0dmrtSnQg1rnbeuro7_r1_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-86\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt>\n\t\t\t\t<dd class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-86'>\n\t\t\t\tAntic and follow-through\n\t\t\t\t<\/dd><\/dl><br style=\"clear: both\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/eschergirls.tumblr.com\/post\/19229486104\/lesstitsnass-you-punch-like-a-girl\">eschergirls<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/lesstitsnass.tumblr.com\/post\/18744247349\/you-punch-like-a-girl-masochist-seriously\">lesstitsnass<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>You punch like a girl, Masochist.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Seriously, that kind of posing on a punch is pretty much only drawn on girls. You\u2019ll likely never see a punch done this way on a man. No, a man puts his back into a punch. There\u2019s follow-through. This girl here, she has a weak punch because her back\u2019s going the opposite direction, and her waist is swiveled in such a way as we get to see both her butt cheeks and both her boobs at the same time. There\u2019s also the fact that the artist chose to draw the moment the punch connects, rather than the follow-through of the punch, which makes it look like a tap on the chin rather than the impact it should be. And this is the big no-no in all \u201cHow to draw comics\u201d books when drawing a fight scene: if you want your punch to look like it actually caused damage, draw the follow-through.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to concentrate on the full body posing here. See the first small image? This is the current line of action for Masochist. The punch is a secondary action to the body posing. Here\u2019s the first hint of weakness. If you look at the original, the artist drew speed lines from Masochist, trying to tell us that Masochist is running really really fast to hit good ol\u2019 Supes. In the second one, you\u2019ve got Superman\u2019s line of action added in, and as you can see, the speed doesn\u2019t work because it\u2019s not flowing in the same direction as Maso\u2019s line of action. Weak!\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Third drawing shows what the line of action SHOULD be on her. And how it impacts with Superman\u2019s own line of action. This is a strong action! The full force of the body\u2019s in there. So before I actually roughed out the drawing, I got up and mimicked a hard punch to the face, took note of my body, spine, back, hips. I took in account the fact that she was running first, so as much as we twist at the waist when punching in a standing pose, when running, the whole body turns with the punch. Then I slapped down really rough lines to get my motion in.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In order to understand this motion better, you really need to think of what\u2019s happening to this character before the punch actually happens. There\u2019s a wind up, an antic (short for anticipation) of the movement: that line of action is curved back, and whips forward with the punch! There\u2019s a moment of pulling back her fist as far as it will go to be able to bring it forward to cause the most damage possible. Since she\u2019s running, think of her RIGHT leg hitting the ground, the whole body twists as the LEFT leg pushes off the ground and that whole velocity carries enough kinetic force as to make Superman\u2019s head snap back. (Art fixed! Thanks Anonymous!)<\/p>\n<p>But instead we get a boobs and butt swivel-waist and a tap on the chin of our hero. And speed lines that make it look as if she was zipping forward, frozen in that pose. Yeah.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I love this breakdown because one of the knee-jerk defenses is \u201cso, she\u2019s punching\u201d but the choice of HOW she\u2019s punching is up to the artist and as you so brilliantly showed, it\u2019s not even a really effective or realistic way to be following through on a punch either.\u00a0 That\u2019s part of the problem of a lot of the \u201caction\u201d poses in my blog, the women may be punching or attacking, but their <a href=\"http:\/\/eschergirls.tumblr.com\/post\/11191114734\/artemis-spine-is-twisted-wonder-womans-legs-are\">motions are really limited and constrained, generally to show more sexiness, or to have them posing,<\/a> and it ends up with them not looking particularly aggressive.\u00a0 (In that example, Artemis\u2019 arms are in FULL extension which means she has no more leverage to be hitting Diana with and her sword isn\u2019t even close to hitting her, and that\u2019s not even getting into Diana\u2019s posture.)<\/p>\n<p>In the original picture, you can tell she\u2019s punching, but the way her body is, it looks like she\u2019s already as far extended as she can get and so the punch doesn\u2019t look that hard except that Superman\u2019s reacting to it, however your punch looks WAY more powerful and also adds so much more dynamic to scene.\u00a0 It\u2019s not \u201cMasochist is punching Superman\u201d, it\u2019s \u201cWOW MASOCHIST JUST PUNCHED SUPERMAN!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Going into what it would look like in a wind up is a great idea too.\u00a0 I don\u2019t draw that much, but I do write a lot, and when I do an action scene, I always act it out in the mirror so my descriptions are logical, and doing this for art seems very sensible too. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Beautiful de-construction of art from a recent Superman issue demonstrating that the &#8220;New 52&#8221; artists are far more concerned with showing a girl&#8217;s sexy bits than they are with actually drawing good action poses.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been a fan of a lot of the New 52 stuff, but some of their decisions (either editorial or artistic) regarding their portrayal of the female form have left me scratching my head. Sacrificing quality panels for the sake of displaying some T and A is a way to ruin a franchise, in my opinion.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>eschergirls: lesstitsnass: You punch like a girl, Masochist.\u00a0 Seriously, that kind of posing on a punch is pretty much only drawn on girls. You\u2019ll likely never see a punch done this way on a man. No, a man puts his back into a punch. There\u2019s follow-through. 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